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A conversation around boundaries with Alexandra Jamieson and Bob Gower

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The one thing I’ve learned in business and life, is how important it is for us to expand our toolbox on how to have brave, vulnerable, and sometimes challenging conversations. If you want more tools to communicate your boundaries, desires and needs, then this episode is for you.

In episode 131 of the Lead with Love podcast, I get cozy with two dear friends of mine, Alexandra Jamieson and Bob Gower. They are two super awesome people, who happen to be husband and wife and just wrote an awesome book together called, Getting to Hell Yes.

In today’s conversation we talk about how to have honest conversations with people you work with and people you love.

Alexandra Jamieson is a success mentor, life, and health coach to creative, professional women who want it all. She is the best-selling author of Women, Food & Desire, co-creator and co-star of the Oscar-nominated documentary Super Size Me, and highly-sought-after wellness expert.

Bob Gower helps organizations move faster, create better products, and become happier, more engaged places to work. He is an authority on agile software development, lean theory, and responsive organizational design, and has advised leaders at numerous companies—including GE, Ford, Chanel, PG&E, and Spotify—in creating more effective organizations. He is the author of Agile Business: A Leader's Guide to Harnessing Complexity and speaks regularly on organizational development and leadership.

“Things don’t have to be this hard, if we can just be a little more honest with each other.”

– Alexandra Jamieson and Bob Gower

What you'll hear (and don't want to miss!)

  • Why Alex is taking a stand for her clients in order for them to have more love in their own lives [7:31]
  • How Bob’s work has transformed over the years and why boundaries are so important to him [8:36]
  • Why finances aren’t the only metrics bigger companies should be looking at [11:19]
  • The biggest challenge Alex is facing as a solopreneur working with clients in the corporate world [14:11]
  • Giving voice to our “secret shames” [18:31]
  • What was going through Alex’s mind before publishing her viral blog post, and what it was like for Bob witnessing her shedding her identity [22:26]
  • The ways they’re able to navigate a relationship while both being in the public eye [25:14]
  • Where the idea for their new book, Getting to Hell Yes, came from and the powerful 4-part structure featured in it [28:27]
  • Who the book is for and what it isn’t [40:36]
  • How to get more strategic in our personal lives and why we should be focusing on more than just our work relationships [51:07]
  • What sharing our dreams will allow and the dreams Alex and Bob both have for their book [53:35]

Resources + links mentioned:

» Getting to Hell Yes by Alexandra Jamieson and Bob Gower

» Alexandra Jamieson

» Connect with Alexandra on Facebook and Instagram

» Bob Gower

» Connect with Bob on Instagram

» Alex on Jonathan Field’s Good Life Project

» Super Size Me documentary

» I'm not a vegan anymore blog post by Alexandra Jamieson

» Women, Food and Desire by Alexandra Jamieson

» Agile Business: A Leader’s Guide to Harnessing Complexity by Bob Gower

» Bob Gower writings

» Next Chapter blog post by Jadah Sellner

Key Quotes:

  • “I’m very, very clear about either you’re a collaborator and you’re in my heart, or you’re a problematic person that I have to deal with in order to make a change that I’m trying to create in the world.” [Bob, 9:51]
  • “I love being able to cherry pick who I work with. Either it’s a fit, or it’s not.” [Alex, 13:41]
  • “More damaging to culture, to performance, damaging to the bottom line, is when you have an angry dude at the top shouting at people.” [Bob, 16:35]
  • “Things don’t have to be this hard, if we can just be a little more honest with each other.” [Alex, 18:58]
  • “The conversation that we wrote about in the book is the conversation that we’re always in in our lives, and it dictates or guides so much about who we are and what we do.” [Alex, 25:21]
  • “You know you’re not ordering off a menu. You’re not opening a catalogue and getting to order everything you want in your color and size. You might get everything you ask for, or you might not.” [Alex, 48:00]

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